What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear What You Say"

[*Note to those MYDD posters who don't like candor (and there seems to be quite a few of you): Stop reading, because you won't like what I have to say.]

When Barack Obama first faced the criticism that he has no experience and that words are cheap, he answered words give hope.  Many agreed and ran to Obama's defense. His supporters maintained that Obama's rhetorical skills were noteworthy and trumped his lack of experience. More to the point, they argued that Obama's rhetorical skills trumped the life and political experience that any other candidate brought to the race. They maintained that he, like Martin Luther King, spoke from moral authority.

We knew Obama borrowed his "audacity of hope" phrase from his preacher Reverend Wright. We also understood that Obama used the words of JFK, FDR, and Martin Luther King freely. Yet,in their hearts, most Americans believed that the rest of Obama's words were authentically his; rhetoric was his strong suit after all.

It is why so many came to hear Obama speak. He awakened the yearnings of a citizenry hungry to hear a leader who understood the greatness of America and who would help us transcend the  duplicity of Bush/ Cheney. We were led to believe that his rhetoric came from the inner crux of his soul, not the contriving machinations of a political machine. He would lead us to the Promised Land after eight long years under a less than honest man.

Now we have learned that much of Obama's rhetoric was first used by Deval Patrick to win his campaign in Massachusetts. It seems both men hired the services of David Axelrod,so Obama's supporters argue that the campaigns inadvertently melded. Patrick's words are now Obama's.

Obama's supporters tell us to turn the page. Purists of course aren't buying it. Since Obama never gave so much as a nod to Patrick, they are calling him a plagiarist.

Both Aristotle and Quintilian argued the value of ethos in public speaking. A speaker's ethics they argued was paramount. Quintillian stressed the point that rhetorical excellence was "the good man speaking well," because a speaker's ethics affect his/her credibility and often speak more loudly than words. Emerson echoed this sentiment when he wrote: "What you are speaks so loudly, I cannot hear what you say."

I cannot turn the page. I cannot forgive Obama's campaign for playing political games with an electorate yearning for change after the moral lowlands of the Bush presidency. Our young follow Obama like the Pied Piper, because we crave hope. Compatriots chant Obama, because we want our reputation in the world restored, our soldiers home, our homeland safe, the dollar restored,and most of all the lying and lack of ethics of elected leaders to end.

All the while, Axelrod and Team Obama have been playing us like fools. We now must face the consequences. We are at a crossroad; it seems Obama lacks both substance and the ethos necessary for moral authority. Where do we go from here?



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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (2.00 / 1)

This has to be distressing for you if you are an Obama supporter. My extended family is split between Obama and Clinton. My husband, and the girls and I are Hillary and the sons-in-law are Obama. We have spirited conversations, but we work it out.

We started listening closer when he said he could get her voters, but it may not go the other way. We listened even closer when his wife said she was not sure she could vote for Hillary if she were the candidate even though HRC had campaigned and fund-raised for her husband.

Today there is a dust-up about Michelle saying she is finally proud of her country; read Jake Tapper MSNBC. The words incidence is the latest. please think it through carefully. It would be tragic if you developed buyers remorse. if after you have thought it through and you still want to support BHO, fine. It's your right.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 04:57:44 AM EST

Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (2.00 / 3)

Hi Lady Eagle,
I voted for Obama to become my senator. He was elected to office and before we knew it he was announcing for POTUS. He has done NOTHING for Illinois.

I am not conflicted; my mind is clear. I feel sorry for our compatriots who don't see through
his smoke and mirrors. If he becomes the democratic candidate I will vote for McCain. For me, experience trumps BS. I believe a McCain presidency with a Democratic Congress will be ok for us.

If Michelle Obama has the nerve to say she has had no pride in our country up to now, she is not fit to be First Lady. She is a disgrace to the Democratic Party, and people should call her on her choice of words. The Republicans will have a field day with both Obamas if he becomes the democratic candidate.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:38:14 AM EST
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Re: Democratic Centrists Will Vote for McCain (2.00 / 1)

Froma Harrop had an article at realclearpolitics about how many Democrats are now saying, that if Obama's the nominee, they'll vote for McCain. I've even found myself considering it; don't know what I'll do for certain, but this article is a harbinger of things to come, if Obama is the nominee.

Also, it DEFINITIVELY REFUTES OBAMA'S LIE THAT HE WILL WIN HILLARY VOTERS, BUT SHE CANNOT WIN HIS VOTERS read the whole thing:

February 19, 2008
Vaporous Obama Turns Off Many Centrists
By Froma Harrop

"...a Super Tuesday exit poll suggested there is something to it. While 52 percent of Obama's supporters were amenable to a Clinton candidacy, only 49 percent of Clinton voters said they'd be happy with the Illinois senator, according to the survey by Harvard University's Institute of Politics.

And at that time, the news media were still lavishing love on Obama. That situation is about to end. "He's the fashion plate of the moment," an editorial page editor remarked, "but fashion week is over."

Sophisticated commentary now notes the growing creepiness of the Obama campaign: Its aversion to substantive policy discussions. The sermonizing -- "In the face of despair, we believe there can be hope." And the messianic bit -- "At this moment in the election there is something happening in America." (That would be he.)

Volunteer trainees at Camp Obama are told not to talk issues with voters, but to offer personal testimony about how they "came" to Obama. Makes the skin crawl.

Centrists generally do not find cults of personality entertaining. The mass hypnosis reminds them of the mortgage frenzy -- all these people buying into a dream and not caring about the fine print.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/02/vaporous_obama_turns_off_many. html


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:13:23 AM EST
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Re: Democratic Centrists Will Vote for McCain (2.00 / 2)

Thanks, Tennessean,

Good article.

I have heard many people voice the sentiments voiced in the article. Difference between Obama and McCain? McCain is a genuine hero. It also doesn't hurt that Limbaugh and other Rightwingnuts dislike him; their dislike fuels McCain's electability with moderates.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:38:22 AM EST
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I got HR'd at dkos for sying the same thing. (2.00 / 1)


by JimR on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:54:38 AM EST
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Re: I got HR'd at dkos for sying the same thing. (none / 0)

Jim,

I'm new to this. What is HR'd?


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 09:32:16 AM EST
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It means to hide a comment. (none / 0)

Only trusted users can do it.


by JimR on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 12:46:18 PM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Fine, if that's the way you want to play...

Then I'll counter you and say I'll vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee.

Yes, you are doing wonderful for party unity.  I don't believe for a second you were supporting Obama in the primary.  Nice try.


by neonplaque on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:30:19 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Dear Neon,
  I don't lie. I did vote for Obama for US senator. I was proud to do it at the time. However, since that time I have had growing reservations about him and his wife.
  I never said in my dairy that I voted for him  in the primary, although others in my family did. I voted for experience, namely Hillary. Joe Biden was my real choice but the MSM bumped him off early. (I am an indepenent and workedd for Kerry last time.)
 I probably would have voted for Obama in the national election, but the last piece of news has turned me off for the reasons I've given.Moreover,
Michelle Obama's ridiculous comment is going to turn off more people. She is in her mid 40's and has never been proud to be an American until now?
by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:58:55 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Let's see, she had to deal with the Reagan years, then Bill and Hillary for a couple years until we lost both Houses of Congress, then the Clinton scandals, then we lost the White House in 2000, then 911, then Iraq. and now here we are...

So it's pretty easy to understand why she's proud of the country right now for the first time in her adult life.  She's feeling that Hope.  


by neonplaque on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:15:04 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (2.00 / 1)

Yes, Neon, and during some of that time she was going to Princeton and then Harvard. Then, she married a man who became a Illinois State Senator and then a US Senator.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:26:08 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Distressing?  You've got to be kidding.  Haven't felt this good since Valencia came on board to La Revolución.  And I'm guessing you wouldn't have the first clue to what I am talking about.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 05:39:26 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Leftist Baby,

Careful the government is watching you, just as it did John Lennon, and the FBI is taking notes.
If Capitalism turns you off, Shaun, do the US a favor, diss the computer, tell your rich parents you will go it on your own, and tell Hugo to turn on a light for you so you can go where you can be you.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:29:33 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Capitalism?  Grist for the mill.  Democracy?  Now there's a story worth telling, and fighting for.  Where do you stand on that?  'Leftist baby?'  I can field-strip a Kalashnikov, to be sure, but that's not the point.  It's academic, so to speak.  The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, wouldn't you say?  Oh, and watch out for the black helicopters, brother.  Is the whole world is watching, or just your drinking buddies?  Gee, this is fun.  

Let me guess, you are a Hillary supporter who voted for Reagan.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:44:57 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (2.00 / 1)

No Shaun, I never voted for Reagan. His followers freak me out; they are a cult similar to the Obama group in their devotion to their leader.
Actually, if anyone voted for Reagan it is probably Obama given his public aoration of Ronnie.

In case you didn't see it, in the week before the Nevada caucuses, Obama told the editorial board of the Reno Gazette-Journal the following about Ronald Reagan:

"I do think that for example the 1980 election was different.  I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.  He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.  I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating.  I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."  

Not only did Obama praise Reagan, but he used conservative code words from Rove's GOP playbook to do it. Shaun, what were the "excesses of the 60s and 70s?" Does Obama think the Voting Rights Act was an excess? What about the Civil Rights Act? Were the protests against the Vietnam War excessive? Fair Housing legislation?


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:17:36 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Yeah, yeah...  Are there no windows in your cubicle at the Ministry of Information?  It's daylight outside, not the eternal dusk of fluorescent light.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 03:06:43 PM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

For some folks this is more important then their positions on Iraq in 2002. I would venture to say those listed here...their family and friends would differ....and of course the rest of us.
http://icasualties.org/oif/

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie
by nogo war on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 06:48:37 AM EST

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Agreed. I was never for going to war. Obama, Jesse Jackson, JR., and many other members of the Illinois state government spoke out in Springfield against the war. This is to their credit.  I worked for Kerry, because he would have ended the war.

I will never forget Tweety sitting at a
desk in the MSNBC studios as pictures of Bagdad being bombed were projected on a rear screen. It was hideous.

That said, even Obama has brought up concerns about Iran...

Despite what anybody says now, I don't know if we will be able to leave quickly. Even Obama has made comments about Iran.  


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:47:04 AM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

I understand, Undie, it is easier for me, given I'm an Independent.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:51:23 AM EST

Re: Theft (none / 0)

Many authors nowadays use aides. JFK had  help with his pulitzer prize winning Profiles in Courage. Stephen King uses them for his novels; that's why he is so prolific. (This dairy is about something else, Scrooge McDuck, as you well know.)

Barack Obama has lost his moral high ground. Recent events have forced thinking Americans to finally acknowledge the truth. Barack Obama is no way close to a leader like the great Martin Luther King, who was beaten, imprisoned, and finally murdered for his authentic audacity of hope that came from the very fiber of a great and noble moral consciousness. Martin Luther King inspired, because people knew he actually walked the walk and didn't just talk the talk.

King's rheoric was an outgrowth of his personal experience and life's work; it was rooted in the credibility of his character. King spoke the words that were rooted in his heart and soul. He believed the dream he shared, and the power of his rhetoric is still felt today because of who he was and what he did.

Martin Luther King was an authentic American hero; sadly, Obama is a pretender.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 12:17:53 PM EST

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All I can say is that is you think that words are all that Obama has to offer, you haven't been paying attention.

Why do you think so many editorial boards have been giving him the nod?  Not just for his pretty rhetoric but for the substance that goes with it. (You can add the Houston Chronicle, Cleveland Plain Dealer, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Baltimore Sun, San Antonio Express-News, Fort Worth Star Telegram and El Paso Times to that list.  There's also this list in wiki which isn't just the top 100.)

The Obama campaign has been derisively and incorrectly described as more rock tour than political campaign and his supporters as more starry-eyed groupies than thoughtful voters.

If detractors in either party want to continue characterizing the Obama campaign this way, they will have seriously underestimated both the electorate's hunger for meaningful change in how the nation is governed and the candidate himself.

In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Editorial Board on Wednesday, the first-term senator proved himself adept at detail and vision. They are not mutually exclusive.  -- Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

He has 25 years of experience in local, state and federal politics vs. Hillary's 7 years.  ShadowSD nailed it here.

...it's a sad day when a candidate with twenty-five years at the federal, state, and local level and dealing directly with Constitutional law is considered less experienced than a former first lady with seven years at the federal level and a corporate law background, simply because she has more national POLITICAL experience in the partisan mudfight; it's kind of appalling that this edge in political experience has been cast as a policy advantage, when Obama is in fact the one with the vast advantage on policy experience.

When did experience in corporate or trial law become as relevant to the Presidency as Constitutional and civil rights law, considering that the President is sworn to uphold the Constitution, and needs to do so now more than ever?

When did having experience at the local, state, AND federal level become a throw-away credential in a system of government based on the intricacies and interplay of those hierarchies?

When did being a legislator for longer and at two different levels of government become a sign of less government experience?

When did an International Relations major, four years on the Foreign Relations Committee, and years more living unsecluded in Indonesia become negligible foreign policy experience relative to eight years on Armed Services [Committee] and secluded trips abroad as first lady?

When did the amount of time served in national political food fights overcome all these important questions of relevant policy experience for an office as important and pivotal as the Presidency of the United States?

The sad answer all of the above is the same: when Barack Obama ran for President, and people got used to believing what the media repeated everyday.

Try doing a little research and rely less on the media and blogosphere for your information.  You can check out some of the research I did to answer my own questions.


by vbdietz on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 02:54:32 PM EST

Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Since people have dealt with all of these typical Obama posts all over the web, I see no reason to rechallenge them here. Believe what you want.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:31:46 PM EST
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Re: What You Are Speaks So Loudly, I Cannot Hear W (none / 0)

Also, vbdietz, don't you know who owns most of the papers in this country? The elites who own the media? Their boards are the same ones that proudly endorsed Bush through two election cycles.


by bJ Chicago on Tue Feb 19, 2008 at 07:48:31 PM EST
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